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Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Paul McLennan
I will go to Simon Webster next—I will come to Suzi Martin in a minute.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Paul McLennan
You have already kind of answered my next question, which Willie Rennie also touched on. What do you think of the current Government guidance? What do you think about having statutory guidance? Do you want to add anything to what was said when he asked about that? I think that Suzi answered the question, so I ask Kate and Simon where they think that the guidance should sit and whether they have anything else to add about guidance becoming statutory.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Paul McLennan
I will ask about the definition of a child. The definition in the bill is taken from the Education (Scotland) Act 1980, which is not the same as the definition in the UNCRC. The commissioner and others have suggested that the bill should mirror the UNCRC. What are the practical and legal impacts of those different definitions?
I have a second question, which is on an issue that we have touched on and which I will put to Nicola Killean first. What are the strengths and weaknesses of having statutory guidance rather than non-statutory guidance?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Paul McLennan
Ben Higgins, I come to you on those two questions on guidance and on the UNCRC definition.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Paul McLennan
I will just come in on that point, because it is important. I remember meeting with an organisation in my constituency; there were parents there with children who had gone through that experience. Those children are now in their 20s or 30s, and the trauma is still there. We talk about the need for the bill—the trauma is still there 10, 15 or 20 years later, for a lot of the parents and obviously for the children themselves. That is a really important point.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Paul McLennan
Sarah Leitch?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Paul McLennan
Thank you, convener.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Paul McLennan
That is a good point, and it has got me thinking of another question. Kate Sanger talked about the level of expertise in schools, and about training. I am in East Lothian, where we have a number of schools in a geographically tight area. Some schools have an area of expertise that means that kids from all over East Lothian go there and the teachers also get more training. It is important to get a balance between what is provided at local authority level and what happens in each individual town, because parents and children might have to travel. Suzi, what are your thoughts on that?
Kate spoke about focusing on training, but are we spreading that too thinly? Should we try to have specific schools that have expertise in dealing with kids who have learning disabilities until that training is in place? I ask Kate and Suzi for their thoughts on that.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2025
Paul McLennan
I am not sure how to follow that.
I have a more general question about the UNCRC, which Lynne O’Brien touched on. Several respondents have commented on the drafting of sections 1 and 2, on aftercare, and section 10, on the register of foster carers, which amend the Children (Scotland) Act 1995. As that is pre-devolution UK legislation, it falls outwith the scope of the UNCRC.
What are your views on that small but important point? Significant issues could be created if we do not get that aspect right. I will come to Lynne first, as she raised the issue.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2025
Paul McLennan
I do not know whether anyone else wants to address that point, which is an important one.