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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

:There is a great deal of disappointment and Engender did not spare the Government, to be fair. The work that Helena Kennedy did is important and there is agreement across the board that we do not want an asymmetrical crime, because of the whole nature of misogyny. Most groups wanted the stand-alone crime. In its written submission, Engender notes that the United Nations Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women—CEDAW—and the Istanbul convention talk about the asymmetry

“between men and women’s experience of gender-based violence”

and the fact that the conventions

“require approaches to reflect the deep inequality, structural injustice and power imbalances”.

It is therefore disappointing that we are not going to see a stand-alone offence by the end of this parliamentary session.

Engender also points out that, in the Government’s consultation, more than half of the consultees did not accept that the SSI that we are looking at today is in any way an answer. I agree with Liam Kerr: I do not think the Government should give the impression that, somehow, it has achieved 25 or 30 per cent of what Helena Kennedy recommended. It has filled the gap, and I will support the Government in doing so, as I would have done in 2021. However, it is disappointing that progress has not been made on the stand-alone crime, given that everyone accepts that that approach is the right one, rather than just including misogyny as a characteristic of hate crime legislation.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

I do not really understand what you are saying, to be perfectly truthful.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

I am not asking you about that.

I know that you have helped, and I commend all that work. However, you have your role and we have our role, and we are trying to ascertain, in relation to all the people whom you have helped, at what point the police officer can walk away and give that response—because it is not their job to deal with something that they are not trained to deal with. That is also why I am confused about what it says in our papers:

“The taskforce is also looking to build training to give police officers and staff the knowledge, skills and confidence to support that balance around the care, support and monitoring in day-to-day policing”.

It feels like we might be going back to square 1. I am trying to ascertain what progress has been made in allowing police officers to go and do their jobs.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

Thank you very much.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

In the past year?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

In a second, possibly. What I do not understand is this. Two years is not a long time in the law, really. Did you just accept that the police wanted those two offences to be removed from the scheme because they had not been used for two years? They would now not be able to use them. Did you question the police about why they wanted those offences removed after such a short period of monitoring?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

With all the paperwork attached to that, it could be still a fairly low—

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

That is very helpful.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

It is important to draw out the fact that we have heard this morning that two offences will be removed from the list on the basis of monitoring over a two-year period, which I do not think is that long. I will not vote against the motion, on the basis that, as the ministerial team has said, it would be easy enough to bring the order back to Parliament.

However, in the future, there should be a longer period and perhaps more interrogation of the police, who are the ones asking for this, as to why they have not been using the offences. As Sharon Dowey said, the whole point of fixed-penalty notices is that the police can use them for lower-level offences if they think that it is not appropriate to charge someone, as charging them would involve a more formal process that goes to the fiscal—albeit that it is for the fiscal to decide whether it should proceed. We would not want there to be a back and forward situation with the police not using FPNs for an offence this year but wanting to use them next year, or whatever.

I am not going to stand in the way of the draft order, but it might be important to draw that out for future reference.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

Good morning, and thank you for your introductory remarks about all the work that you are doing. That was useful to hear.

I want to continue with Sharon Dowey’s lines of questioning. As the Criminal Justice Committee, we have heard that police officers waiting with people who are experiencing a mental health problem is the main issue that takes up police time—it takes up more time even than police officers waiting in court. I think that we all agree that it has to be resolved.

I will start by talking about the hub pilots. In those cases in which police officers get a call and take the person to the facility in Lanarkshire, for example, do they hand the person over and walk away at that point? Does that mean that the NHS looks after that person from then on?