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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 25 March 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

John Mason

I would like to return to a point that Ray Perman made, which was also in his submission. I think that you used the term “Barnett guarantee”. Some people have said that the Barnett formula has worked through the pandemic, and that that is what has given us the money that we have used. Are you suggesting that that was bypassed? Can you tell me what you mean by “Barnett guarantee”?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

John Mason

If a family is short of food or cannot afford to heat their house, the cash is pretty helpful, is it not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

John Mason

Does COSLA or CIPFA have any comments on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

John Mason

I will press you on that and will use a different example. Income tax in this country is horribly complicated and the intention has been to make it fairer, so we have many little exceptions, reliefs and all the rest of it. Was it intended that the fiscal framework would make arrangements fair, which is why we are linked to this and to that? We have ended up with something that we struggle to understand and which the public probably do not have much chance with.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

John Mason

I am up for that. Does Mr Eiser want to respond? I am sorry not to have given you a chance yet.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

John Mason

I will move on to another topic. There is a theme in your written submission about flexibility, which has already been mentioned. The problem for the Scottish Parliament is that, if there is flexibility and, say, Orkney does one thing and Glasgow does something else, we are immediately accused of a postcode lottery, even though it is local decision making. Can you comment on that or give us advice on how we tackle that problem?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

John Mason

My next question is on the fiscal framework and may be for Mr Russell. When I was a councillor, we had the prudential framework for borrowing, which I thought was a good idea. Councils could borrow what they could afford, and there was no arbitrary limit. Does that still work for local authorities? Could it also work at the Scottish level?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

John Mason

The point has been made that we need more taxpayers—therefore, more people. We are not having enough kids, so is the only answer to have more immigration?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

John Mason

I do not know whether Ms Murray wants to say anything on that. I also have a question specifically for her. We talked earlier about how complicated the fiscal framework is. Is it inevitable that it would be more unfair if we made it simpler? Are we balancing fairness against complexity, or is that not a fair thing to say?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

John Mason

You have stressed that point quite a lot, so I take that on board.

I have a final question, which is on a completely different subject. One of the submissions—I think that it was the Royal Society of Edinburgh’s paper—mentioned inflation. Is that something that we should be worried about, or will it just go back to 2 per cent, so we will be okay?