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Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you. As we have mentioned a few times this morning, an important report was produced last week on the funding position of further education. We will be having an evidence session on that broader palette and of course Mr Brown is very welcome to join us, either as the substitute member of the committee or as somebody who has a very particular interest in relation to his own constituency.
I will finish on the particularity of UHI Perth. The departing finance director, Gavin Stevenson, gave an interview to The Courier newspaper, in which he said that the college’s financial position was “perilous” and that it was in a “desperately precarious situation”. He even said that the “nuclear option” might have to be considered, by which I presume he meant the closure of all, or maybe part, of the education service that is currently provided by the college. Do you have any reflections on that perspective?
11:15Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2025
Richard Leonard
Agenda item 3 is consideration of the Audit Scotland report “Our impact: Monitoring and Evaluation Report 2025”. We are again joined by the Auditor General, Stephen Boyle, and alongside Mr Boyle is Mark MacPherson—you are welcome back, Mr MacPherson—and Michelle Borland, who is the head of organisational improvement at Audit Scotland. We have one or two questions to put to you but, before we get to those, Auditor General, I invite you to make an opening statement.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2025
Richard Leonard
Mr Brown will ask some questions about social media and media in general and so on but, before we get to those, I invite the deputy convener to put a couple of questions.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2025
Richard Leonard
On that note, I draw this session to a close. I thank Michelle Borland, Martin MacPherson and Stephen Boyle for their evidence on that report. It is a theme that we will return to, and I am sure it will be part of our deliberations when we consider our legacy report for the next session of Parliament.
As agreed earlier by the committee, I will now move us into private session.
11:52 Meeting continued in private until 12:05.Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2025
Richard Leonard
Good morning and welcome, everyone, to the 27th meeting in 2025 of the Public Audit Committee. We have received apologies from Joe FitzPatrick, so I am pleased that we are joined by Keith Brown.
Agenda item 1 is a decision on taking items 4, 5, 6 and 7 in private. Are we all agreed to take those items in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2025
Richard Leonard
Agenda item 2 is consideration of a section 22 report from the Auditor General for Scotland entitled “The 2023-24 audit of UHI Perth”. I welcome our witnesses. We are joined by Stephen Boyle, the Auditor General for Scotland. Alongside Mr Boyle is Mark MacPherson, who is an audit director at Audit Scotland. I am also very pleased to welcome Nicola Wright, who is an engagement lead for Deloitte and who carried out the audit of the college on behalf of Audit Scotland.
We have a number of questions to put to you on the report, but, before we get to those, I invite the Auditor General to make an opening statement.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2025
Richard Leonard
Thanks. The final introductory question from me before I bring in other members of the committee is on something that you say in the report, and which again is very striking—indeed, I cannot remember seeing anything equivalent in the past. You say that you are unable to explain why no budget was set.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much indeed. You mentioned the importance of monitoring and evaluation in making a difference. Could you explain how the monitoring and evaluation framework makes a difference?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2025
Richard Leonard
I will bring in Keith Brown at this point.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2025
Richard Leonard
You are on a roll.