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Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 18 February 2026
Richard Leonard
I turn to Graham Simpson to put some questions.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 February 2026
Richard Leonard
Good morning. I welcome everyone to the sixth meeting in 2026 of the Public Audit Committee. The first item on our agenda is for members of the committee to decide whether to take agenda items 3, 4 and 5 in private. Do members agree to take those items in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 February 2026
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much indeed for that introduction to the report. When I look at the key messages at the very start of the report, they give quite a positive picture. You use terminology such as “Financial management is strong” and “Governance arrangements are effective”, and you say:
“Policing in Scotland benefits from effective strategic leadership, with senior leaders working well together supported by open, constructive relationships.”
As a Public Audit Committee, we do not often read a report that has such uncritical conclusions and key messages. You might want to say a word about that.
However, I picked up that, when you spoke in the report about the strategic police plan, you said that the priorities and outcomes were not necessarily all that well defined. How do you reconcile those headline descriptions of how well things are going with some of the discoveries that you made when you looked in more detail at things such as the strategic police plan?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 February 2026
Richard Leonard
Could you perhaps develop a little bit more—perhaps Mr Naylor can start on this—the theme of how that proliferation of strategies and plans is being produced, as you describe it, in a way that is not necessarily creating an alignment of purpose? How is that impairing the organisation delivering on its objectives?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 February 2026
Richard Leonard
I thank our witnesses for what has been a very thorough session. We have covered a lot of ground, and I really appreciate the input that you have given us. It is up to us now to consider what our next steps are and whether some of the organisations that have been mentioned are ones that we might want to call in to take evidence from.
I thank you, Auditor General, and Fiona Mitchell-Knight and Lucy Jones for your evidence. I particularly thank Craig Naylor and John Paterson. It was really useful getting your input this morning. It brought an added dimension to proceedings. That joint reporting approach, Auditor General, was a really innovative and important thing to do.
With that, I move the committee into private session.
11:28
Meeting continued in private until 11:59.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 February 2026
Richard Leonard
I suppose that one of the manifestations of having a more coherent approach is you producing a joint report with His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary in Scotland.
Finally, I will touch on another area that is highlighted in the report that we are considering this morning, which is the depth of stakeholder engagement. You comment that there was limited public involvement in the development of the strategy, and that perhaps there could have been greater workforce involvement in the development of the strategy.
I do not know whether you want to kick off on that, Auditor General, and then I will move to Mr Naylor or Mr Paterson.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 February 2026
Richard Leonard
The choice of language is quite telling, is it not? It is not just an ambition to be non-racist and non-discriminatory; it is “anti-racist” and “anti-discriminatory”, which suggests that an active piece of work is under way.
I now invite Graham Simpson to put some questions.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 February 2026
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much indeed. We now move to our final round of questions, and I invite the deputy convener to put those to you.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 February 2026
Richard Leonard
There is time for a short final question.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 February 2026
Richard Leonard
Our main agenda item is consideration of the report “Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”, which is a joint report by Audit Scotland and His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary in Scotland. We are pleased to welcome witnesses from both HMICS and Audit Scotland.
First, I welcome the Auditor General for Scotland, Stephen Boyle. He is joined by, from his team at Audit Scotland, Fiona Mitchell-Knight, who is an audit director, and Lucy Jones, who is an audit manager. We are also pleased to welcome Craig Naylor, who is HM chief inspector of constabulary in Scotland, and John Paterson, who is the lead inspector at HM Inspectorate of Constabulary in Scotland.
We have questions to put to the witnesses, but, before we turn to those questions, I invite the Auditor General to give a short opening statement.