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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 13 November 2025
Jamie Halcro Johnston
A number of parties have talked about the flexibility of the constitution, and Professor Tomkins mentioned that, too.
One of the difficulties in determining what the Scottish people want is that opinion polls fluctuate, even when we talk about devolution. According to YouGov polling last year, 21 per cent of people in Scotland would happily abolish Holyrood. There is obviously still demand for the Parliament, but that could change, because support for independence started on a low basis. I am not advocating the abolition of Holyrood, by the way. It is interesting how much weight we put on opinion polls. We know that opinions on independence are relatively equal, depending on which polls we look at. However, it is not a priority. How much weighting do you give to priority for another referendum or independence? It is difficult to pin down this aspect of the whole debate. What do people in Scotland actually want and how will we ever determine that?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Jamie Halcro Johnston
So, issues were being raised and leadership concerns were coming into the public domain. It seems that you met with the leadership, despite there being issues with the on-going leadership, but you did not determine at that point that the situation was serious enough for you, as the person at the very top, to meet, listen to and hear directly from the board, as previous cabinet secretaries had done?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Jamie Halcro Johnston
I appreciate why an organisation may want to meet with you as the cabinet secretary, particularly to speak about funding. However, those are issues that could have been dealt with at official level. Would they normally be dealt with at official level?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Jamie Halcro Johnston
What were your officials telling you?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Jamie Halcro Johnston
Thank you.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Jamie Halcro Johnston
Did you request to attend a board meeting?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Jamie Halcro Johnston
Okay. You have talked about financial resources. There is a new chief operating officer, and I am not aware—you may or may not be aware—whether that position has been budgeted for. I asked Sir Mark Jones whether there would likely be redundancies, and he was not able to answer—understandably, given his role—but I think that he expects that people will be moving on. Do you expect that people will be leaving HES? Could some of the resources that you talked about be used to make redundancy payments or pay people off? If so, would you have to sign off that additional budget?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Jamie Halcro Johnston
Even if there had not been any issues within the organisation, I think that the public who are watching this meeting will ask why the cabinet secretary with responsibility for the organisation did not attend any board meetings and did not have that relationship. I think that they will be particularly surprised, shocked or appalled that, even when you were aware—you have said that you were aware—that there were serious issues with the organisation, you still did not attend board meetings. Do you understand why the public might be concerned about that?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Jamie Halcro Johnston
So, you were aware that there were issues, but you wanted to get a better idea of what the issues were.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Jamie Halcro Johnston
That did not involve your attending board meetings, which you could have done.